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Post by dz on Oct 8, 2006 22:36:24 GMT
It is very frustrating 2 c other teams such as Kilbachan, Shettleston, etc having numerous runners that can run a standard of 5min per ml - 5.10min per ml in races. . there is absolutely no reason why in the Ayr area that their r people that with the right motivation & enthusiasm BTW the ages of 16-35+ could. . . .we have experienced coaches, for ex. David Walton that give great tutelage to athletes who want 2 train for distances BTW 400m-1500m. . the QUALITY MIDDLE/LONG DISTANCE RUNNERS in Scotland will general beable 2 run a respectable 800m/1500m on the track, add the knowledge & experience of Adam Law(who has been one of Ayrshire leading distance runners over the past couple of decades) who designs Tues & Thurs training schedules for middle-long dist. athletes and we have GOOD FOUNDATIONS in place. . . . .
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Post by Kevan on Oct 9, 2006 11:23:44 GMT
Good question dz.
I think that ayr seaforth has a wealth of top quality sprinters and middle distance runners. They choose not to compete at the longer distance events. The reasons for this only they know.
As for the longer distance runners a club they are either choosing not to compete, which is again up to themselves, or not up to that standard (e.g. me). I can assure you that I would like to get quicker and I am trying but it isnt going to happen over night as i am relatively new to running.
maybe there is a lack of emphasis of road running at the club??? I also think that there arent many people running under 34 mins for 10k in ayrshire, only a select few. This implies to me that it might not just be a problem specific to seaforth, although we should be the biggest club in ayrshire.
Kevan.
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Post by Kevan on Oct 9, 2006 11:29:15 GMT
Just had a look at troon 10k resutls from this year. there were 26 other runners from ayrshire before the first placed seaforth runner. thats a bit depressing
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Post by Kevan on Oct 9, 2006 11:41:11 GMT
Just call me stato.
20 ayrshire runners before the first seaforth fininsher at irvine marymass 10k.
No seaforth runners at saltcoats round the houses or dundonald 10.5.
14 before the first ayr runner at cumbrae.
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Post by KillieBoy on Oct 9, 2006 21:00:49 GMT
Kevan i think that the problem with having not as many athletes as you would expect/hope running at a good standard is poss because the amount of people running went into decline a few yrs ago.It seems to have went through another boom period again in the last few years so perhaps you will benefit in time from younger athletes as they move up from middle distance as they age.It seems like the natural progression is to run shorter distances and then move onto longer distances as they get older,whether it be the club athlete or the full time athlete(Jo Pavey would be a decent example)
as far as the local clubs are concerned i think you could only honestly say that only Irvine have a good squad of runners who are capable of running under 35mins but few of them are new to running and have been at this level for quite a number of yrs
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Post by Kevan on Oct 9, 2006 21:42:05 GMT
You are right bout the irvine squad killie boy. it is quite sad to be the only person wearing a seaforth vest at half the races i have been to this year. you always get half a dozen killie, troon and irvine runners at them. Dont get me started on women, i think there must be somebody at seaforth that scares them away, wonder who that could be
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Post by boabee on Oct 10, 2006 15:29:16 GMT
what has happened to Ayr Seaforth??
that is the question posed by the senior runners at Troon
I can remember about 10 years ago things like
having 3 teams at the Arran Relays at least half a dozen guys sub 33 minute 10k about another half a dozen sub 36 minute 10k one particular guy winning Kirkcudbright half mara by a distance
i could go on but you get my drift
k.b I think there are a few rugby parkers capable of running a sub 35 10k as well as Irvine
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Post by KillieBoy on Oct 10, 2006 15:55:52 GMT
yep there are a few who can run sub 35 at Killie but nowhere near the number that Irvine have-have a look out for the results at forthcoming relays and you will probably see Irvine's B and C teams competing with the other Ayrshire club's first team!
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Post by Alex Tortoise on Oct 10, 2006 20:49:04 GMT
boabee says, "what has happened to Ayr Seaforth?? - that is the question posed by the senior runners at Troon"
As a 51YO who has been running all his life and lives in Ayr I could answer that one but it might ruffle a few feathers at Seaforth. I really think Seaforth needs to take stock and remember that not all atheletes are under 20. Irrespective of where the future is, if there is a steady haemorrhage from Ayr to Troon and Kilmarnock of the older or less than gifted, then Seaforth could have a poor future.
Sorry to be critical but it's pretty bad that I've got to drive 10 miles to get to a club that welcomes oldies like me.
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Post by Kevan on Oct 10, 2006 21:28:32 GMT
boabee- who won kirkcudbright half? Maybe we should start a hall of fame where we profile all of the great seaforth runners of yester year and their achievements. Maybe that would drag some performances out the current crop of runners. k.b.- im ashamed to admit it but we were beaaten by their D team on saturday Alex- i think the future for road running at seaforth is pretty poor already. But we have secured promotion to the first division of the athletics league so its all okay Maybe you could give me a lift to troon
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Post by boabee on Oct 11, 2006 16:10:07 GMT
John Stewart who I think had to give the game up due to knee problems.( no relation to alastair stewart)
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Post by colin on Oct 11, 2006 18:13:14 GMT
reasons for lack of sucess in my opion it steams from younger age groups not competeing in x country including relays seeds were sown in late 80s didnt build on sucess its critical for future of track and field that athletes are fit that means endurance speed is good but endurande is needed to how many times do youngsters actually run further than 2 laps of the track thats just 3mins running you know 20mins or say 15min 80 % of club are incapabe of even doing that in one go without stoppin another point is that the club isnt attractive to good club runners at middle and distance its time to change colin souter
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Post by Kevan on Oct 11, 2006 18:23:32 GMT
hello mr souter, long time no see. It is good to hear from you. I trust you are keeping well.
I totaly agree with what you are saying. Why do you think they dont/wont run more than two laps non stop though? is it the coaching? is it not made appealing enough to them? i am sure it will be a mixture of reasons.
Next question, what can we do about it? Drag them kicking and screaming or to quote the politicians , is it about education?
By the way, even i can run two laps quicker than 3mins ;D
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Post by Hamish on Oct 12, 2006 7:06:32 GMT
I think one of the major problems with "Ayr Seaforth" is that it doesn't advertise itself at all as a "middle and distance" running club. I think the last time I seen a mention of road running at "Ayr Seaforth" was the relays last year in the Ayrshire Post. The "Ayr Seaforth" webpage has 6 months of news in it, but I didn't see one mention of road running. In fact the only mention I see of any road runners is in fact is as "Cross Country Championships 2004-05" rather than "middle and distance" runners. Whereas club webpages such as Irvine review the runs on a race to race basis and Troon have results posted from 2002 of all the runs they compete in.
Perhaps that's why Ayr are losing runners to other clubs.
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Post by Kevan on Oct 12, 2006 8:09:12 GMT
Hamish- valid point. Connel and myself were talking about that very fact the other day. He had looked through the ayrshire post and found all the results that had been submitted for the track. Two things about that, nobody bothered to give them to him to put on the web, he had to get them himself and secondly the person responsible for putting things in the paper obviously has no interest in road races as there is usually somebody running somewhere. Maybe a road runner has to take on the role of media representative and put our results in the paper. As far as my results go that may actually bring shame on the club rather than raise its profile I guess this discussion board is an attempt to allow people to put up results as its unfair to expect one person to take on the job i.e. Connell (who designed the website) without any recognition for it. But generally the point to be taken on is that we need to raise the profile of the club as distance running club? Kevan.
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